I recently had the opportunity to interact with the author of an evangelical Christian blog through comments on one of his blog posts. The title of the entry is entitled "Christ Died For Sinners" which immediately caught my attention.
After reading the short entry and the enclosed quote, I submitted a question in comment form. To my astonishment, I got a reply. Not only do these bloggers seem to be amped up for evangelism but interested in apologetics as well. I welcome their arguments.
Former Follier Says: September 24th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Christ died in order to save a fallen creation by taking the sins of an infinitely wicked world against an infinitely holy god upon himself, does that about sum it up?
One question: If our sins are so abhorrent to god as to allow his â€œsonâ€ to be the propitiation for our sin, then what is Jesus doing sitting at the right hand of god right now? If the sins of mankind are punishable by eternal damnation, shouldnâ€™t the sacrifice bear the burden? Three days in the ground hardly seems â€œjustâ€.
Good thing itâ€™s only a fable.
Josh Says: September 24th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
you obviously have your doubts as to whether or not the biblical account of Jesus death and atonement really is a fable or you wouldnâ€™t have bothered checking our site. Jesus suffered the full weight of Godâ€™s anger for all the sins of all His people before he died, while he hung on the cross, and when he cried out â€œit is finishedâ€, he signified that he had fully drunk the last dregs of the punishment that all his people deserved. It is certainly a mystery that Jesus could sustain an infinitely intense dose of Godâ€™s anger, enough punishment to keep all His people in Hell for all eternity. Only Jesus could do this because only Jesus was and is both God and man. His human nature was enabled to do what no other human nature could i.e. soak up all the wrath of God and come out the other side. The gospel is foolishness to the natural man - it is a mathematical improbability too great to fathom and yet it is the truth. God has no physical form and yet all power to create and sustain all things. Because something is a mystery doesnâ€™t mean it isnâ€™t true. For a simple analogy imagine Godâ€™s wrath like a tap with an infinite variety of pressure and volume settings - God says in his word that some will suffer more in hell and some less - all will suffer according to the nature of their sin. God turns the tap of his wrath to the precise measurement of what that sinner deserves. Jesus takes the place of all his people beneath the deluge of Gods wrath and God turns the tap on full bore to blast the soul of Jesus with the full weight of hell that all his people deserve. The volume and the pressure of that tap are of such severity that they fully satisfy the requirements of Godâ€™s justice. So severe was this punishment that the contemplation of it caused Jesus to sweat blood.We read it. We believe it.
Your assumptions that I am still wrestling with my beliefs are false. Simply looking at my online nickname (a portmanteau of â€œFormer Followerâ€ and â€œfollyâ€) is a testament to that fact.
However, I still fail to comprehend how a god could send himself in human form to die for the sins which he allowed to enter the world in order to appease himself. It not only seems self-serving, it seems to be superfluous. Especially taking into consideration the fact that there was no good reason for him to supposedly create us in the first place. According to Christian theology, we are here to serve and glorify him. He already had a â€œheavenly hostâ€ of created beings (with free will as is evidenced by the fall of Lucifer and his demons) with no other purpose but to glorify and praise god (as the story goes).
Regardless, for god to send his â€œsonâ€ (himself in human form) for the sole purpose of dying to absolve a contrite mankind from its sin, doesnâ€™t that equate to suicide? Whether or not Jesus killed himself is irrelevent; the fact that he came to earth knowing full-well what would occur meant that he submitted to and pursued his own death. Itâ€™s akin to the â€œsuicide by copâ€ phenomenon on a cosmic scale.
The problem lies in your the last sentence of your reply: â€œWe read it, we believe it.â€ I certainly hope mankind will have moved beyond such mental lethargy two thousand years from now at which point the Harry Potter chronicles could be considered diviniely inspired holy text.
Former Follier Says: September 25th, 2007 at 3:43 am
To clarify things a bit, I did not actively seek out your site or even your content, necessarily. I did a generic Google search for â€œWay of the Masterâ€ (which my website is devoted to countering) and stumbled across your blog. Divine providence, perhaps?